Curse

Astraea Zopyros · Jun 26, 2006, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Originally Posted by David Lionmaster

Then there are the monks who refuse to heal my pet, even though when I bring my pet, I am a full beastmaster. I ask them nicely if they aren't healing him, and tell them that I am a beastmaster, and they say, "No, I'm not wasting my time on your pet."

I don't usually heal pets. Unless my energy is 2/3 full and everyone is at or above 80-90% HP, I won't heal them. I know full well that your skills will blackout when your pet dies. I also know full well that you have skills to heal your pet. In battle, I would rather spend the 5-10 energy to heal you as opposed to your pet. I'm sorry if that isn't acceptable, but that's the way it is. (I'm really not trying to be snobbish or arrogant, but trying to put the team's interest first).

Everyone, we have to remember this isn't a problem just with the monk class, but really is exemplified by the monk class. Monks are very visible and highly desirable--as such, we see a lot more of the problem there. However, until everyone agrees to calm down, relax, and realize that everyone is human, it's not going to change.

CorstedPirate · Jun 26, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32

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Originally Posted by David Lionmaster

Lol, when I saw this title, I thought you meant all of the abusive monks out there. Most monks are fine, but sometimes you get these really snobby, elitist monks who think they can take advantage of you because they're the one healing you. I got in an argument with a monk over a non-game related issue, and he refused to heal me the entire mission.

I admitt, I say something when things go badly. I ask people to take a look at their builds. Generally I am nice about it, but not always. I got through both games with my build, but if things go wrong I am still willing to change up if I need to. Other people should be willing to do the same if what they are using doesn't work. No one should be thinking "it wasn't me." It was a bad combo which everyone was a part of.

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Originally Posted by David Lionmaster

Then there are the monks who refuse to heal my pet, even though when I bring my pet, I am a full beastmaster. I ask them nicely if they aren't healing him, and tell them that I am a beastmaster, and they say, "No, I'm not wasting my time on your pet."

I have no problems trying to keep the pet healed some. I do have a problem with being the only one healing the pet though. No Ranger of any kind should bring a pet and expect the monk to heal it if they won't. I hate the black out as much as anyone, it is bad for the team. The first time the pet dies and is rezed will show the truth of just what kind of beast master the person is.

Today I witnessed a Ranger that didn't seem to mind being blacked out almost constantly because of their pet. It really wasn't pretty. They had next to nothing in beast mastery. Would res their pet as soon as it had died or their black out was over, until the end of each battle. It wasn't a tombs run.

Age · Jun 26, 2006, 08:59 AM // 08:59

To the best of my knowledge this doesn't happen anymore the black out of a Ranger skills when the pet dies.I would suggest as a beast master it is your rightfull responsiblity to keep your pet alive if you have comfort animal.I to play Ranger and know full well but I don't play beastmaster.This would be no different than an MM asking to keep thier minions alive we won't do that either that is up to them.There are certian types of missions that need an inturrerpt/trapper Ranger which is what I play and we don't need MMs around all the time this when they keep useing blood of the master and if they die the minions tun on the rest of the team.There are time when a good SS or Blood Necro is needed.

The Fire Islands missions usually need and inturrerpt/trapper Ranger not a beastmaster and the same goes for THK.I really get annoyed when I see a pet when we enter mission and the Ranger doesn't tell anyone they just say barrage.It would be best if you look at it from our angle not yours we see more going on then what you do.

Nexus Icon · Jun 26, 2006, 09:18 AM // 09:18

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Originally Posted by Age

This would be no different than an MM asking to keep thier minions alive we won't do that either that is up to them.

Speak for yourself, if we're between mobs, I do my utmost to help keep those minions alive. Granted, it's too difficult in combat, but they're too valuable to just let die between mobs.

I personally believe that the forced reliance on monks is getting to be ridiculous. They are the only class that are absolutely, positively REQUIRED for a group, be it PvE or PvP. This means that the balance of power automatically shifts to the monks, and this is wrong.
No one class should be allowed such power over your playing experience.
I don't have a solution to this problem in mind, I just know that a solution is required.

Caleb · Jun 26, 2006, 09:48 AM // 09:48

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Originally Posted by Age

To the best of my knowledge this doesn't happen anymore the black out of a Ranger skills when the pet dies.

Your skills still black out when your pet dies, I checked it after reading your quote.

Braggi · Jun 26, 2006, 09:59 AM // 09:59

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Originally Posted by Astraea Zopyros

I don't usually heal pets. Unless my energy is 2/3 full and everyone is at or above 80-90% HP, I won't heal them. I know full well that your skills will blackout when your pet dies. I also know full well that you have skills to heal your pet. In battle, I would rather spend the 5-10 energy to heal you as opposed to your pet. I'm sorry if that isn't acceptable, but that's the way it is. (I'm really not trying to be snobbish or arrogant, but trying to put the team's interest first).

My monk heals pets - and not only as a passtime with excess energy. Some of my healing spells are superior to the rangers pet heal, and he should have better use for his energy.

It depends on the contribution the pet makes to the team, which can be way better than some players'

. I prefer a well-managed pet to a "leeroy" energy sink. All things being equal the player has of course higher priority, as the pet gets no DP.

Minus Sign · Jun 26, 2006, 10:18 AM // 10:18

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Originally Posted by The Real Roy Keane

Dear god, I didn't even notice- this started on the eighth of June LAST year. Talk about beating a dead horse..

yeah; thread necromancy ftw.

About pets. I heal them, beast master or no. I don't like to see anything die when I'm monking. Most monks don't. Some even take it personally.

They don't take priority over other people though, and being the second stupidiest AI (I know you rangers out there don't want to hear that of your beloved companion, but face it, they can be downright dumb!) barely in front of Minions, I don't shed too many tears when they shuffle off this mortal coil. I also don't heal level 5s (or 15s that often) in a level 20 area. you want to level your pet, thats good. But don't make my job 80 times harder by expecting me to powerlevel your pet. Its the same as with a player: if I know they are going to be a pain in my butt to heal, I don't want them in the group. Buy new armor, or you make my job harder. Level up with quests before you get upset that no one will drag you through a tough mission. Level up your pet before you bring him into a PuG.

Only problem is, you can often tell just by looking before the group zones that someone has low grade armor, and their level is plainly displayed next to their name. A low level pet is a dirty surprise to a monk; possibly part of the bias some hold toward healing any of them now.

What does tend to upset me is when that pet's ranger starts pinging their pet after they've died. Do I have /R behind my Mo? If I don't there's not thing 1 I can do about it. Next time, bring your pet rez (and heal) if you want scruffy to stick around beyound his first spike.

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Originally Posted by Nexus Icon

(Monks) are the only class that are absolutely, positively REQUIRED for a group, be it PvE or PvP...I don't have a solution to this problem in mind, I just know that a solution is required.

Seek Rits young Padawan. Commune with their Force and you shall find your faith Restored.

EDIT: of course, I'll be waiting to see that Sick and Tired of the rit abuse thread...

ekamdu · Jun 26, 2006, 10:43 AM // 10:43

man i love this thread!!! its so true!

ive been a monk for over a year now (made this char a week or 2 after guild wars came out) and ive been playing it loads... seriously loads...

i can say im a good monk... boon healer and most of the time i can keep everyone alive... and its rather easy because i have two very good friends who both have a monk... and both are quite good with it... ive finished prophecies and factions easily without any difficulties (only had to do THK 3 times, all the other missions 1st try) so i had quite the luck with that

but the problem what you see here is the players who arent monk... a lot (not all) rely a 100% on the monks for life... well i've played a necro/mesmer (finished prophecies) a warrior/monk (finished prophecies and factions) and a Elementalist/something (finished prophecies) and with all the characters i always tried to keep myself alive to make sure the monks didnt have to heal me non stop... i became life leacher with my necro my warrior was half healing and i just ran away from the mobs with my elem

but most of the people are just to stupid to see that monks cant heal everything... there are still warriors out there using frenzy while being attacked... there should be somekind of education on how to keep yourself alive and make the monks work easier...

by the way to add something to this, i had to do THK three times because the first two times half my party wasnt infused... seriously people are idiots

*EDIT* btw i only heal pets when im at full energy, or when everyone in the party is at 90-100%... i'd rather see a lv 20 warrior do massive dmg then some bear or white tiger attack

lexandro of Albion · Jun 26, 2006, 11:50 AM // 11:50

i can honestly say i have been on both sides of the wa/mo ~ mo/me argument.
Many a time i have been told as wa/mo
"why did u aggro that whole group!"
"no healing for u and no rez!"
answer coz i can hold them around me while the AoE spells kill there ass.
Any warrior/ monk who doesnt self heal is pointless. Why take monk 2nd if ure not going to use it? And if a wa/mo doesnt tank hard who will? ure crappy mo/wa ? get a life! you have crap armour!
And as a monk ive had many messages of
"wtf why didnt u heal me noob!"
answer coz ure an ele who just agrroed 10 monsters on ureself , and i cant cast fast enough before u die horribly.
or my personal favourite
"i have a XX% dp" ->rush + agrro boss
"wa/mo is dead!"
"wheres the healing , u monk noob!"
er if u have bugger all health due to ure own stupidity and agrro before i can regen how the hell do u expect me to keep u alive with bosses doing 200+ damage when u have less than 200hp?

so peeps when u join a pug team that fails miserabley ,dont immediatly blame the war or the monk . more likely is that one moron in the group has a crap skill set or is a complete idiot with basic armour . Give everyone a chance , when u have identified the weak link just dump them or leave.
And if u do run into any snobish behavour simply inform them that :
1: u are only human and make mistakes
2: if they die alot its probably there own fault
3: someone says "drop the XXXX or my monk leaves" fine , tell them to leave then ill take the henchies as ive completed all of tyria and cantha with henchies.

And finaly remeber that a good chunk of the community is pre-pubescent teens with the iq of dry toast so arguing is pointless. Prove ureself through deeds and actions and show them why they are so crap!

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There is nothing wrong with the world today , except for the people who live on it"

yellowcrown · Jun 26, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Monks, I love 'em. Try to never play without one, when I can find one. I respect them too and for the month or so I have been playing the game have learned there is good and bad in everything, even Monks.

I have two characters, a W/R 14 and an E/Mo 14. When I play the W in a group and there is a Monk I always ask if the build is a smiting or healing Monk. I have died more than once while the Monk was off battling instead of healing. Because my W is expected to be in the middle of skirmishes I always advertise my health and energy stats before jumping into the next battle. My Warrior needs precious energy too and a good healing Monk if the party is to survive.

Knowledgable, perhaps older or more experienced, players understand the team concept and what it takes to succeed as a team and lose as a team. Both happen and can be a learning experience. It's easy to blame someone else for your failure and not always easy to accept responsibility. The bottom line for me is that it's still just a game and a good way to learn about people in general.

I've been playing video games since the first Pong was introduced (oops my age is showing) and have been addicted ever since. The Diablo series was by far my favorite but lost it's charm when my lvl 98 Amazon was nerfed by a patch and the chat areas were filled with spam and profanity.

If one of you Monks is ever looking for a friendly team member for a group I'd love to join. Look for Sire Blackadder or Dame Lusty Wench in the evenings (EDT). Just got to Borlis with both and I've never even seen LA or any of the more advanced areas. Maybe one of you could help me with my builds so I can learn and play the game better.

Carth` · Jun 26, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

I saw a monk get abused for the first time yesterday, and it sickened me. Some noob kept running in alone and dying instantly, and he said "where was the healing", "next time heal me noob monk", "you suck as a monk". I wasn't the monk during this, but I thought it was disgusting for the poor monk, because he was doing nothing wrong.

It was only this moron that was dying, and I told him to shut up, it wasn't the monk's fault. What was nice was the whole team then backed me up and the other members of the team said things like "thanks for the healing, I think you are doing a great job" etc. After that the insulting guy shut up and we went on to finish what we were doing

wsmcasey · Jun 26, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Corinthian

"I have no energy" is a bad excuse for a monk. Any boon healer with MoR can keep up even with the crazy warrior taking on the second group seconds after beating the first.

This usually works in PvE, but often is not true in PvP. EOE spike groups and degen groups and shatter enchantments w/energy denial screw up my Boon/prot monk every time.

Silent Kitty · Jun 26, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

Every now and than I run out of energy, but that only happens when someone aggros to much with crappy armour. In that case I cope as long as I can, and retreat backwards when the battle is over. When someone aggros again, they are on their own.
I just wished Master Togo wasn't such a noob. The guy is a Ritualist, for crying out loud. Why doesn't he stop tanking and aggroing?

Astraea Zopyros · Jun 26, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by Silent Kitty

I just wished Master Togo wasn't such a noob. The guy is a Ritualist, for crying out loud. Why doesn't he stop tanking and aggroing?

They should add a new saying for him.

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Originally Posted by Master Togo

You are a pox on Cantha, and I am the cure!

Moa Bird Cultist · Jun 26, 2006, 05:38 PM // 17:38

I have something to say here.

I have 2 monks, 1 healer and 1 smiter.

Monks DO make mistakes. I should know - I've made them, time and again, usually at a huge detriment to the group. I'm only human after all, I make mistakes, just like anyone else.

Secondly, Monks: The world does not infact revolve around you. In a high level party, you are 1/8th of the effort put into making an outing a success - 1/8th, not half or three quarters, but one eighth of the input. Just because a monk's actions are much more obvious than any other class, does not mean that the warden in your party is irrelevant, or that the warrior who is tanking for the group/spiking an important enemy is not contributing towards the overall goal of the party. If you know what you're doing and theyre reasonably experienced, you have little to fear.

Thirdly, we do not have a god-given right to totally refuse any assassins when forming a party. Assuming that all assassins are a liability is wrong, full stop. I could go into details, but i expect most people have encountered many a decent zin on their travels. I only made my healing monk so that there would be a monk available for any assassins in my guild/alliance, but I'm at best, second rate at it, I'm quite prepared to admit. Why? Because, as I said, I make mistakes. The only thing that makes me a second rate monk compared to a lot of others then is that I'll admit it when it's my fault, which it is, my fair share of the time.

So there you have it: My bottom line is that the earth does not revolve around the monk(s) in a party, we merely do our job, just like everyone else.

Age · Jun 26, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24

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Originally Posted by Caleb The Pontiff

Your skills still black out when your pet dies, I checked it after reading your quote.

I checked Anets updates and it says it doesn't disable on revive.

Astraea Zopyros · Jun 26, 2006, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Age

I checked Anets updates and it says it doesn't disable on revive.

On revive, maybe, but I'm pretty sure it disables on death. I'm also more inclined to believe in-game evidence.

Maybe it used to disable it when you revived your pet as well as when it died?

lexandro of Albion · Jun 27, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

just to clarify the situation on pet death

u get blackout on pet death but not on resurection of pet

FACT! end of

ender6 · Jun 27, 2006, 02:55 PM // 14:55

I exclusively heal pets. My entire monk build is designed to heal pets, and only pets. And that is how i contribute my 1/8 of the workload.

Ge4ce · Jun 27, 2006, 03:04 PM // 15:04

I play a monk! Got something against it?

Anyway, not all monks are great. Don't forget that